Name Calling Liberals


Some of my liberal neighbors took exception to an article I recently posted where I gave several current examples of how liberals like to control things. As is typical with liberals, rather than make a fact based counter argument to what I had written, these guys just name-called on our neighborhood message board accusing me of getting special treatment, not knowing anything, etc.  Here is what they wrote:

From: Dabear <amkjpk@yahoo.com>
Date: December 1, 2013 9:02:57 PM MST
To: pebblecreek@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pebblecreek] Re: Liberals Know Best

  Absolutely correct but keep in mind it is not what you know but who you know.
Being a drummer I am sure helps his cause.
John Kuck

On Sun, 12/1/13, Twig <twig85395@aol.com> wrote:
Subject: [pebblecreek] Re: Liberals Know Best
To: “pebblecreek@yahoogroups.com” <pebblecreek@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, December 1, 2013, 8:51 PM
No political comments allowed unless your name is
Howard Brodbeck!!!!!
Jim Terwilliger

I suppose that years of support from the main stream liberal leaning media, has made name calling the favorite liberal response to any information that liberals disagree with.

But nice guy that I am, I decided to give these guys another chance and I called the first guy, Terwilliger, and asked him what exactly had I written that he did not agree with? And while he could not enunciate that on the phone,  I went even further and offered that if he did not like what I wrote, why not send me a fact based article that refutes what I said and I will publish it on howardsgoodyearblog.  After all, howardsgoodyearblog is open to that kind of fact based discourse.

I got Terwilliger’s response in the mail today and it is included IN IT’S ENTIRETY below.

Here is the Reader’s Digest version.
Terwilliger wrote that:

  1. Tea Party Republicans are, “white supremacists”
  2. George Bush started the bailout of the auto industry, not Obama
  3. Republicans “see war as the answer to every geopolitical question”
  4. “the only answer Conservatives ever see is war”
  5. Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq. (Never mind that every legislator from either party who saw the data at the time agreed with him).
  6. “Unlike Fox (News), the rest of the media goes after the President, regardless of his party”. Oh puulleeze.
  7. “Lying about Benghazi has been the operating basis of propaganda by Fox (News) and House Republicans ever since those four Americans were murdered”
  8. It is an “out right lie” that the IRS did anything to delay conservative groups from getting proper tax status
  9. Voter ID is just, “an effective minority disenfranchisement method”
  10. “Blaming liberals is pure projection.  Isn’t projection the term used when you project your sins, actions, skills and attributes on others?”
  11. “The only groups telling which healthcare people MUST buy are the health insurance companies” NOT Obamacare?
  12. Obama did not lie about Obamacare (as recently as September of this year) because, according to Terwilliger, “The law was still being edited and negotiated by the House and the Senate up until the moment it was passed”
  13. “the Confederate traitor flag is ALWAYS present at Tea Party rallies”
  14. And of course, I’ve saved the best for last.  The reason for all of this is that, “Was it simply because there was a WHITE Republican in our White House instead of an African-American Democrat.  (Conservative denial of right-wing & Tea Party racism is a joke.)”

I’m not making this up.  As I said above, his entire email is included below.

In Summary.
Terwilliger’s FACT BASED counter argument is that, if you are either a Conservative or a Republican, it is because you are a lying, racist, Fox News watching, misled, war mongering, moron who has all these problems simply because you feel guilty for all the sins you have that you project on others.

I rest my case.

Now here is the entire email:

Terwilliger Response

Twig <twig85395@aol.com>
12:33 PM (7 hours ago)

to me

Mr Howard Brodbeck,

I’ve copied your blog entry, then I’ve broken it up into individual statements and added my comments.

Liberals Know Best
Posted on November 25, 2013 by Howard’s Goodyear

Make a deal with Assad on chemicals which gives him time to kill off more of his opposition.
Make a deal with Iran. Don’t worry, we liberals can control them.
Control the press. Tap their phones, reduce access to photo ops so the WH network controls images, and while we ‘re at it, lie about Benghazi, it doesn’t fit our narrative.
Control and steal an election by having the IRS delay opponents’ organizing.
Tell everyone which healthcare they must buy, how much they have to pay for it and lie about it in advance to get it passed.
It’s ok, though, liberals know what’s best so the end justifies the means.

,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.

,.,Mr Brodbeck, you said that each statement you made in your blog entry, Liberals Know Best, was fact, supported, and if I disagreed, I would have to support my arguments.

With the exception of members of the white supremacist ‘tea’ wing of the Republican Party, I don’t know of many who consider President Obama to be a liberal.  Certainly not the Wall Street, corporate Republicans.  He has followed a great many of George Bush’s policies, he adopted a conservative Republican think tank’s health care plan, he kept the Republican Secretary of Defense and followed his advice about expanding the war,  he continued George Bush’s policy on dealing with the Wall Street disaster,  and followed Bush’s bailout of Detroit automakers.

………… Make a deal with Assad on chemicals which gives him time to kill off more of his opposition.

It is hard to discuss alternatives to war when you are talking to Republicans who see war as the answer to every geopolitical question.  For Republicans, war is the logical answer.  Have any of us heard a Republican argue against a chance to go to war?   Those who die in war are usually the poor and minorities.  The Republican financial machine, the Defense Contractors, make billions in profits from war.

…If the alternative to war is diplomacy, yes, give peace a chance.  We have one war still underway in the Middle East, and we’ve just ended one.  The neocons sold Americans a package of lies, to convince Americans to support a war in Iraq.  Mr Cheney, Bolton, and the rest of the neocons told us that the U.S. Involvement would end in six months and that war would pay for itself.  Lies.  That Saddam had WMDs.  Lies.  That Saddam was this and that. Lies.  The only true thing that the Republicans had to say about Saddam was that he was a bad guy, but there are a lot of bad guy dictators out there, but only one had massive oil reserves.

Mr Brodbeck, who do you support in Syria?

Assad, a ruthless dictator, murdering citizens and sponsored by Iran?

The opposition, made up of al Qaeda and other terror groups.

If the U.S. Alliance can negotiate the destruction of the chemical weapons, isn’t that a better solution for every except executives with the defense industry who won’t be able to sell more missiles.     Of course, the only answer Conservatives ever see is war; afterall, diplomacy isn’t as much fun as watching C-5As unload caskets at Dover Air Force Base.  (Under President Obama, the press is allowed to cover those ceremonies, unlike under Bush, when it was hidden and off-limits to the media.  The families wanted the press to cover it, but it wasn’t a photo op that Bush wanted.  Who is it that tries to control the press?)

…………   Make a deal with Iran.

What is your proposed alternative?

War – an insane proposal.  Conservative answer for all questions.

The status quo – letting things stay the same?  Let the Iranians continue enriching uranium, preparing for a weapon.

Bush faked and danced at diplomacy over the fake Iraqi WMDs.  He turned Iraq over to the  Conservatives and neocons, and all they could accomplish was dead Americans, million-dollar bonuses for defense contractors and Wall Street, and trillions in U.S. Debt.

………….. Control the press.

Yeah, that has been a terrific success, hasn’t it!

What politician doesn’t try to control the press?

Fox news no longer exists.

All coverage has been positive.

We haven’t heard all of the Republicans, the media, even so many Democrats, complaining about everything from health care to Syria to Iran etc.

Unlike Fox, the rest of the media goes after the President, regardless of his party.

We saw Fox fawning over Bush-Cheney, offering a forum for Bolton to babble, while the rest of the media offered Donald Trump and Arpaio an open microphone to go after where the President was born.  (Too bad Cruz can’t run for President, since he is a dual citizen of Canada and the USA.  Of course, he has one parent who is an American, so he is a natural born citizen.  No different than John McCain. Nonetheless, Conservative racists continue to call our President a ‘Kenyan.’)

………….. Tap their phones

Let’s see, using the Patriot Act to take extra-ordinary steps to find the government official who leaked the information that let Al Qaeda learn that we had an informant in their leadership actually worked.  Secret wiretaps of AP phones to find the leaker was wrong, but are allowable under Bush-Cheney’s miss-named Patriot Act, which gives the federal government to do as it pleases.  Isn’t it funny how right-wingers loved the Patriot Act up until a Democratic President started using it.  The trust us, trust us litany became, not that guy.

………….. reduce access to photo ops so the WH network controls images

– golly, politicians controlling photo ops.

Maybe this White House learned something from the coverage of Bush being on vacation for a third of his Presidency.  When you don’t control photo ops, you end up with John McCain singing ‘bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.’  You end up with Sarah Palin doing a stand up about saving a turkey, while a worker slaughters three turkeys in the background.

………….. “lie about Benghazi”

Lying about Benghazi has been the operating basis of propaganda by Fox and House Republicans ever since those four Americans were murdered.  Darryl Issa conducted sham hearings which did wonders for the reputation of the Republicans.

How many embassy personnel were killed under the Bush/Cheney regime?  (Over 25).

1. Jan. 22, 2002: Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami Attacks Indian U.S. Consulate
2. June 14, 2002: U.S. Consulate, Karachi, Suicide Car-Bomb
3. Oct. 12, 2002:  U.S. Consulate, Bali, Bombed
4. Feb. 28, 2003: Consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, Second Attacked
5. May 12, 2003: U.S. Compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, 9 Americans Die
6. July 30, 2004: U.S. Embassy in Tashkent, Uzbekistan
7. Dec. 6, 2004:  U.S. consulate, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, 5 Staff & 4 Security Guards Die
8. March 2, 2006: U.S. Consulate, Karachi, Killed U.S. Diplomat David Foy killed
This was a planned and coordinated attack that nobody covered as more than a news item.
9. Sept. 12, 2006: U.S. compound, Damascus, Syria, four killed
10. Jan. 12, 2007:  U.S. Embassy consulate, Greece
11. March 18, 2008: U.S. Embassy, Sana’a, Yemen, killing 19 people & injuring 16.
12. July 9, 2008: U.S. Consulate Istanbul, Turkey,
13. Sept. 17, 2008: U.S. Embassy, Sana’a, Yemen, killing 16 People Including 2 Americans Die (Eighteen-year-old American Susan El-Baneh and her husband of three weeks died holding hands.)

How much did you & Conservatives complain about those attacks and their deaths?
…Silence…
How loudly did you & Conservatives demand investigations?
…Silence…

Why not?
Was it simply because there was a WHITE Republican in our White House instead of an African-American Democrat.  (Conservative denial of right-wing & Tea Party racism is a joke.)

Benghazi is the most powerful statement of right-wing hypocrisy and dishonesty.  This is absolute proof of the inability of the right-wing Tea Party and other Republicans to express integrity, or offer honest and pro-American criticism.

How would you have handled Benghazi?

Not knowing what was going on, would you have sent in the 12 Marines you had in the capital?

Would you have sent in fighter jets to level the  site?  That would have ended the attack, but the results would have been the same.  Maybe, if the Republicans had not slashed hundreds of millions of dollars out of the State Department Embassy and Consulate security budget, they could have had adequate security instead of relying on hired local militia.  That is just supposition, but it was a contributing factor.

The U.S. is moving the Vatican embassy behind the protective walls of the U.S. embassy to Italy,  because of security concerns , and Jeb Bush & the RNC are leading the right-wing propaganda attack on that move, claiming that the President is closing the Vatican embassy.  One second, Republicans are slashing funding for embassy security, then they are whining about security at Benghazi, then they are whining about making the Vatican embassy safer.

………….. Control and steal an election by having the IRS delay opponents’ organizing.

Outright lies are hard to debate.  If you want to make up things, quote Fox and Limbaugh writers, go ahead, but don’t pretend to expect honest, intelligent debate over lies and fairy tales.
How did the IRS prevent Republicans from dishonestly registering far right political organizations as non political, tax-exempt social organizations?  The only groups blocked were liberal groups.
That is a lie, sir.

Unlike the Republicans, the Democrats do not prevent legitimate voters from voting.  Passing anti-voter laws that do not apply to Republican primaries, but do apply to national elections, was an interesting, but anti-American idea. It allowed any registered Republican who wanted, to vote for Republicans; but, when it comes to national elections, carefully limit who can vote.
Passing ID photo laws, after researching which forms of ID are not in widespread use in minority groups is an effective minority disenfranchisement method.  Picking and choosing which government issued IDs are accepted.  Aiming disenfranchisement efforts at African-Americans & Hispanics would be considered racist by most Americans, but right-wingers consider it a means to an end.

Controlling, stealing elections and gerrymandering has been an extremely useful right-wing enterprise in recent years.  Between gerrymandering and disenfranchising minority voters, the Republicans control the House.

Blaming liberals is pure projection.  Isn’t projection the term used when you project your sins, actions, skills and attributes on others?

………….. Tell everyone which healthcare they must buy, how much they have to pay for it and lie about it in advance to get it passed.

Once again, you validate my accusation of your inability to offer a honest argument.  The only groups telling which healthcare people MUST buy are the health insurance companies.  That is one of those unfortunate facts.

The one fact, actual fact, than truly angers right-wingers is that the health care act was designed, developed, and sold by Republican Conservative Intellectuals, starting in 1994.  (At one time, conservative intellectuals actually existed.)

The Heritage Foundation used to be the Republican think tank until the Tea Party’s former Senator Jim DeMint took it over.  The Heritage Foundation developed and spent years selling the national health care proposal.  Heritage worked with Romney to develop and institute that health care act.  Heritage, Romney, and the right-wing kept pushing for their health care act on a national scale.  President Obama brought the Heritage and Romney ‘experts’ together to design the national health care act.  Republicans were demanding it until the President adopted it, then they hypocritically decided they hated it.  Conservatives lack the integrity and patriotism to honestly admit that this is their plan, that they lobbied and demanded that it be instituted nationally.

Your falsehood that Democrats lied about it to pass it adds zero value to the discussion.  You claim that the healthcare law tells citizens which healthcare they must buy from insurance companies.  Just because it is a Fox talking point, doesn’t make it factual.

You are correct on one point.  The law does not limit what health insurance companies can charge.  It requires Health Insurance Companies to spend over 80% of the premiums they receive on health care. That means, they can’t claim million dollar bonuses for executives, conferences in Tahiti, private jets, vacation junkets, as deductible overhead, and deduct it from premium income.  They have to actually provide the service that people pay them to provide.

How did the President lie about the law before it was passed?  The law was still being edited and negotiated by the House and the Senate up until the moment it was passed.  That is just the way Congress works on major legislation.

The healthcare law is not the law that liberals wanted.  It isn’t a single payer.  The healthcare law protects Americans from being ripped off by con men posing as healthcare insurers.

……….  It’s ok, though, liberals know what’s best so the end justifies the means.

We all understand that conservatives actually know what’s best, so the end justifies the means they use to gain control.   We see that in voter suppression efforts.  We saw that in Iraq.    We know it because the Conservatives want to slash food stamps given to the poor, of which 90,000 are veterans.  We saw that as tens of thousands of minority and poor voters are dishonestly disenfranchised in state after state across America.   Conservatives have discovered that they can win when they don’t allow the Americans they hate to vote, and they actually steal elections.  Republicans tried that in our home state of Virginia.  It was voted down in my family’s home state of Illinois.

The next attack I expect will be that President Obama has closed the embassy to the Vatican, because the Republican National Committee said so.  The embassy is actually moving from one building to another because of security and leasing costs.  We wouldn’t want a Benghazi in the Vatican would we, but Jeb Bush is now peddling the latest Republican lie.  Wonder why Jeb Bush is repeating the Pope’s comments about trickle-down economics and capitalism, but then, last Wednesday, Rush Limbaugh told us that the Pope is preaching Marxism.  Thank goodness, we have a Republican leader setting us straight about that Pope!

As an addenda, when the Tea Party faction took over the Veteran’s Day rally on the Mall, the Tea Party invited Larry Elliot Klayman to speak.  This hate-spewing, nullification-preaching, anti-Christian thug spoke in the presence of a current United States Senator and the House member who was the candidate for Vice President.  That Senator has viable aspiration of running for the Republican nomination for the Presidency.  Yes, the Tea Party is the strongest conservative faction in the Republican Party, and those Tea Party supporters cheered the cretin standing in front of our White House with the confederate battle flag, the same flag that the confederate traitors carried into battle against the United States of America.  Why is it that the Confederate traitor flag is ALWAYS present at Tea Party rallies?

Jim Terwilliger

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